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Re: “If one little baby has its little brain stimulated at an early age . . . And another little baby is left alone to fend for itself in its crib most of the day . . . Which is more likely to grow up with a higher IQ?”I don't think that's the question. The question is whether two babies with the same amount of "nurture" will grow up to have different levels of intelligence. Of course they will. Nurture and nature both play a role in individual intelligence. For inate I.Q., nurture isn't involved.

So, are different groups of humans different in that regard? Why shouldn't they be? Do you have any doubt that some breeds of dogs are particularly smart while others are kind of on the dumb side? If not, get yourself a cocker spaniel one day. They're cute. Unbelievably hyper. Dumb as posts. There are some breeds that are still worse. Border collies and Australian shepherds, though? Wow. I taught mine to sit in about 5 minutes. Same for lying down. And speaking. And rolling over. Aussies were bred for intelligence.

People aren't bred, though. Actually, yeah, they are It's just not managed. In the case of people, the breeder is the environment. Groups that evolved in a highly variable environment had to make up for it in some way, learning how to prepare for bad times during the good times or dying. Some groups never had to do that - Hawaiians, for instance. It stands to reason that a group that needed to be smart to survive would ultimately evolve to be smarter than one that had little in the way of disease or food issues to contend with.








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Re: IQ and Ethnicity.
By: Zimbler0 in 6TH POPE
Tue, 17 Jan 23 10:23 PM 		Msg. 39210 of 60014

Fiz > The Chinese ethnicity has an average IQ higher than the average Caucasian. The Japanese, likewise. The Jewish likewise. These are all FACTS...and I am not a member of any of those IQ-exhaulted groups. Conversely, it is similarly just a fact that certain ethnicities are, on average, lower IQ than the average Caucasian.


How much of the IQ test actually measures intelligence? And how much is determined more by how much education the subject received?

If one little baby has its little brain stimulated at an early age . . . And another little baby is left alone to fend for itself in its crib most of the day . . . Which is more likely to grow up with a higher IQ?

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A century old test to identify children struggling in school evolved into assessments to determine intelligence. But should it have?

http://www.brainfacts.org/thinking-sensing-and-behaving/thinking-and-awareness/2021/the-past-and-future-of-the-iq-test-060721

"The intention of the IQ test was to identify kids who most need remediation. And indeed, experts today recognize that it is a useful tool for measuring a child’s educational progress."

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"Importantly, though, studies have shown that these IQ scores are more useful for reflecting the quality of education a child has received rather than their innate intellectual potential."

“The only way you can get any decent score at all is to have education,” Nisbett says. “And education is one of the most reliable ways to raise a child’s IQ score.”

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"Unfortunately, within mere years of its introduction, IQ was being used to discriminate against individuals who were perceived to be less “intelligent” or “smart” than average. It was easy to co-opt IQ into existing, often racist ideologies about the intellectual inferiority of certain groups, even though a low IQ score often just reflects a relative dearth of educational opportunity."
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I found the snippets above to be interesting. The entire article is at the link.
Zim.

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