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By: Cactus Flower in ALEA | Recommend this post (0)
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So glad we have a monarchy that doesn't engage in politics but instead fosters friendship and peace.

I wonder how many wars Pakistan and India might have had if they didn't have a Commonwealth in which to build bridges.

And how many trade deals were done with developing nations because people know one another and wish to develop a better relationhip.

There's a competition between, on the one hand, the Commonwealth model of constructive engagement and the development of opportunity, and on the other, the politics of victimhood and reparations that emerges from American talk shows and ex-members of the British royal family. I'm so happy to be on the side of the former, which, oddly enough, gives me at least one interest in common with the GOP. They also prefer the ideal of muscular citizenship (even if they practice it imperfectly) and so they reject the theories of minority victimhood which animate the far left and cause so much division.

Of course, there are examples of modern racism, which we have to address. No, you are not going to cure history of things we now see as immoral because the world never has and never will be entirely virtuous and it is impossible to assess all ancient wrongs. Our job at any point in time is to do OUR best with the circumstances we experience. Not to judge our ancestors as if only we ourselves are pure.


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The Commonwealth
By: Cactus Flower
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Sun, 11 Dec 22 6:38 AM
Msg. 48158 of 54959

(not the commonwealth of Massachusetts but the collection of nations representing a third of the population of the planet) is a voluntary association of 56 countries of which 15 have Charles III as king, 36 are republics and 5 have kings of their own.

The Commonwealth includes Britain, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Canada and Australia, and many smaller countries. Most but not all were once in the British Empire. They describe themselves as "free and equal". Countries aren't trapped in it like they are in the EU. They can join or leave if they wish. The unifying characteristic of the group is their commitment to democracy, the rule of law and basic human rights, alongside mushy but important values such as "friendship, loyalty, and the desire for freedom and peace."

To call the Commonwealth Empire 2.0 is ridiculous. As if Britain can tell India or Canada how to behave!!! As if a body dominated by people of many ethnicities is a further expression of "the white man' burden." It's absurd and condescending. It was actually proposed by a South African as a means of maintaining friendly relations as the British empire unwound. Some former colonies joined. Others chose not to. But the Commonwealth of Nations now also includes countries that were never part of the empire such as its most recent member, Gabon.

The world benefits from the existence of these sorts of non-exclusive arrangements, in which people talk to one another and build bridges. Other ones such as the G7 and G20 exclude less wealthy countries. The UN includes everyone but, from a practical perspective, has few shared values and is dominated by the world's superpowers. The Commonwealth gives a voice to countries as small as the Solomon Islands. What is wrong with that?

What an opportunity Harry missed by walking away from the Commonwealth with his American wife. He's too thick to see value where there is so much potential on offer. He might have contributed to it. He chose to abandon it and to participate in a show that rubbished and damaged it.

What does he do that contributes anything on the scale that the Commonwealth offers? Self-righteousness is not usually thought of as a virtue. The promotion of victimhood and the exportation of the American racism narrative is divisive and unhelpful. I'd take the constructive efforts of the Commonwealth over 100 whining dukes and duchesses.


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