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Love the comparison to a six inch nose. Reminded me of the movie Sleeper, which is one of my favourites - even if the movie is pure comedy, whereas your nose is a medical analogy.

Nice to hear you defend science. I agree that getting to scientific truths is always the best way to do medicine.

For entirely racist reasons, I long since decided that sunshine vitamins are probably a useful tool in combatting covid. Why? Because from early on the doctors noticed that British Indians and black people seemed to get sicker with covid than white people. The story got squelched for probably political reasons. But of course I thought of the obvious difference: white skin processes our weak sunlight more effectively. And then the first covid retreated in the summer, which seemed like confirmation. Not sure if it remains true of every variant. But fortunately for me, I've been keeping an eye on vitamin D for years, so I didn't need to change anything. Always try to bag as much sunshine as I can.


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Re: Cactus Flower...
By: fizzy
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Thu, 31 Mar 22 8:11 PM
Msg. 45184 of 54959

"I don't think I read that you think the mRNA vaccines are ineffective in reducing the harmful effects of covid in its various strains. Is that a fair summary?"

The evidence *all* of the Covid vaccines helped reduce both infection AND severity, WITH THE *ORIGINAL* variant, was pretty solid. I was TRYING to get a J&J when it first came out, but didn't qualify for an early dose and, by late March, disturbing countervailing new information was starting to come out...so I waited.

But the later variants? Well, the only thing all the vaccines are doing to stop Covid is produce tons of *ORIGINAL* spikes.

Once the spike changed significantly -- which it did by Delta time -- the vaccines really had no *logical* *biologic* reason why they should work so well.

And, indeed, they didn't. The evidence supports the logic and the science.

Consider if the news/government put out an "All Points Bulletin" that there was a murderous criminal on the loose, who had a nose that stuck out, like a spike, at least six inches. There was NO other information on height, skin color (don't want to discriminate), hair color, sex (dont' want to be sexist), etc.

JUST LOOK FOR THAT NOSE!!!!!

You can imagine how that APB would work if the criminal had a nose job. Well, that is what the virus did -- completely predictably -- it changed its spike to *escape* the over-narrow criteria of the antibodies which were produced from the over-narrow mRNA encoding.

And then, of course, there is the FACT that SARS-CoV-2 preferentially starts breeding IN THE HUMAN SINUSES, before moving on (after it has millions of replicants) into the rest of the body. But all the vaccines ONLY trigger *blood* antibodies (again, specific *only* to the "6 inch nose" variant). But the sinuses contain mucous, not blood, so the antibodies could do approximately nothing about viral replication and viral load and viral spread.

So things got out of control from there.

The best, recent evidence I am aware of? The current crop of vaccines don't protect, even from severity of omicron, AT ALL.

Even worse, because of the massive, massive overdoses of "six inch nose" mRNA producing "six inch nose" antibodies, the immune system becomes kind of psychotic, looking for -- and only for -- six inch noses. With AT LEAST three consequences:

(1)Your immune system now can't see OTHER dangers very well, because it is totally obsessed with "six inch" spikes.

(2) OTHER channels of the wide-ranging human immune system NEVER get developed, so you probably can't fight the variants anywhere as well as can someone who never had the vax at all.

(3) Meanwhile, IT TAKES A LOT OF BIOLOGIC ENERGY (opportunity cost, to use an economics concept) to mount endless campaigns against a "nose" that no longer exists. That is energy which your body really needs to keep you alive. That energy waste/loss likely has consequences....like, if you need to fight a developing cancer or repair a broken bone? (hopefully that makes sense)

The GOOD research -- the objective research -- has been squelched for the last two years. A *lot* of honest people, who just wanted to talk honest science have been fired, or deplatformed, or had their reputations sullied, or had their research grants cancelled....

And for every legitimate person who got shut down or destroyed, the pool of people courageous (foolish?) enough to speak up and try to get closer to the truth of things has shrunk. I'd guess, 1000 scientists, easily, decided to shut up and comply ... rather than risk destruction for trying to practice good, skeptical science. What would YOU do???

Until Omicron (let's say, until delta) there was pretty good evidence (pretty good in a system where good science and objective disagreement had already been massively subverted and destroyed) that the vaxes:

(1) reduced severity in those who got the jab
(2) dramatically increased spread (remember what I wrote about the virus breeding in, and primarily spreading from, THE NOsE.
(3) put massive evolutionary pressure on the virus to mutate and try to find a way to escape the immune system TOTALLY.

It is really, really, really dangerous for humans to play with things --a global scale -- when they don't understand very well what they are doing.

20%+ of normal human colds are caused by coronaviruses. There are ample reasons vaccines don't exist for other coronavirus diseases, including colds. They work short term and can make things WORSE in the longer run. There have been some real disasters in vaccinology through the decades. Lots of victories, of course, but quite a few notable disasters.

Too bad wiser heads and human welfare didn't prevail over pharma profits and political tomfoolery.

I'm not sure that we have seen anywhere near the full scope of the consequences, yet. I pray what COULD happen here, playing “experimentally” with fire, which we don't yet understand, doesn't, in fact, happen.

P.S. To end on a hopeful and constructive note. There is a LOT of evidence that blood concentration levels of 50 ng/dl Covid-19 deaths drop to ZERO. For that, and other reasons,it is really a great investment (in every sense) to take probably 10,000 IU/day of Vitamin D3. Not just against vastly better defense against Covid, but to tune your immune system up against ALL manner of threats. If our "Public Health", supposed "public servants" actually wanted to help us with our health they would be promoting that. I suggest you not wait for the government to do its job and do something really sensible at extremely low cost, like advising large scale Vit D3 supplementation --especially during the low-sun months and virus season.

Again, thanks for letting me speak my opinion here....


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