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Re: De, I have a favor to ask ... 

By: Decomposed in 6TH POPE | Recommend this post (1)
Tue, 20 Apr 21 11:33 PM | 46 view(s)
Boardmark this board | 6th Edition Pope Board 		Msg. 15943 of 60014
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Re: “If you have some good links readily available without having to spend too much time looking for them, I would appreciate your input, so I can pass them along to him.”I don't really have such a site. I used to be a huge fan of PeakProsperity with Chris Martenson, a pathologist. He's everything you could have wanted: Competent, no agenda, minimal ego. But Peak Prosperity was just banned by YouTube/Google because of its continued advocacy of "that which must not be named" for the treatment of Covid-19. The ban caused a rift between Chris, his business partner and the financiers of the site, many of whom hoped to make money promoting the site with their Google-supported ads. Whoops.

But Chris's videos were incredibly informative and as objective as anything I've seen. You may still be able to find them on https://www.peakprosperity.com/, but I'm not sure. My 30-second lookover of the site isn't finding them...

I read and watch a whole lot of Covid-related things, stemming from numerous media aggregates. Townhall, American Thinker, Bad Blue are among my favorites, but the articles they link to come from all of the web. That said, I'll give your request some thought. If I can find some good links where what seem to be impartial information can be found, I'll post 'em.

I do want to address your brother's belief that the J&J vaccine is not an mRNA. First, I cringe every time I hear any of these inoculants described as "vaccines." Vaccines, you probably know, came about as a result of the discovery that milk maids were immune to smallpox. They had already contracted cowpox, a more benign but closely related virus, and Salk figured out that "more benign viruses" can protect patients. Throughout my life, vaccines were composed of all or part of a living or dead pathogen. That's what they were. Up until last November, that was the definition for "vaccine." Then they started misusing the word and even changed the definition, knowing full-well that mRNA is not in any way related to the pathogen being targeted but figuring they needed to call it a vaccine so as to not scare the hell out of people with what it really is.

Your brother is otherwise right that "the J&J vaccine is not an mRNA." But, as you suggested, that's a technicality. This New York Times article does a good job of describing what the J&J vaccine is and how it works. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/health/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine.html

A key excerpt from the article:

"The adenovirus pushes its DNA into the nucleus. The adenovirus is engineered so it can’t make copies of itself, but the gene for the coronavirus spike protein can be read by the cell and copied into a molecule called messenger RNA, or mRNA."

In short, per the New York Times, the J&J inoculant is an engineered virus that infects human cells and programs them via its own mRNA. It isn't mRNA, but, just the same, it utilizes mRNA to yield the same result. J&J just has a different way of introducing its mRNA to the body. The result is no different in effectiveness or risk from what Pfizer and Moderna are doing.

BTW, nobody contests the effectiveness of the three drugs. They work very well against some of the SARS-CoV-2 strains. The problem is that a typical new drug involves 5 years of testing and these drugs had 3 months of testing. Long-term side effects, if any, aren't known. What could possibly go wrong? IMO, a lot could go wrong. But I'm not really the trusting sort.

Finally, none of these inoculants are FDA approved. They are FDA *authorized* - because of the pandemic. That's very different from FDA approved. "Under the PREP Act, companies like Pfizer and Moderna have total immunity from liability if something unintentionally goes wrong with their vaccines." It doesn't take too much thought to figure out why such protection was needed. The drugmakers' understanding of what their new, wildly experimental drugs might do to people in the long run amounts to a big fat BAGEL. Here's a CNBC piece discussing that:
http://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html#:~:text=Under%20the%20PREP%20Act%2C%20companies,serious%20injury%20from%20a%20vaccine.




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Gold is $1,581/oz today. When it hits $2,000, it will be up 26.5%. Let's see how long that takes. - De 3/11/2013 - ANSWER: 7 Years, 5 Months


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De, I have a favor to ask ...
By: Beldin in 6TH POPE
Tue, 20 Apr 21 9:57 PM 		Msg. 15938 of 60014

... my younger brother, like many of us, has not gotten a Covid vaccine shot and he is looking for all of the even-handed information he can find. His wife has not gotten a shot, his daughters (college age) have not, but his older son has received the vaccine because he is an engineer at a U.S. military base, and quite frankly, I don't think they gave him a choice. Again, like us, he doesn't appreciate overly pushy people from either side (pro or con) trying to use fear tactics. He's adopted a wait-and-see attitude, for now, and tries to keep up with the latest developments, but so much of what he reads is a bunch of fear-mongering, one way or the other. Can you provide me with some links to objective (as objective as possible, anyway) discussions of the benefits and risks of taking the vaccines. He's hoping to find information from a knowledgeable source who does not have an agenda and will dispassionately analyze the good and the bad.

Also, from what he has heard and/or read, he seems to believe that the J&J vaccine is not an mRNA, but I thought that, while it may not be technically an mRNA, it is awfully similar. Do you have a good link that addresses this, too?

I know you have posted a lot about these things, but I simply do not have the time to go back through hundreds of prior posts. If you have some good links readily available without having to spend too much time looking for them, I would appreciate your input, so I can pass them along to him.

Thanks in advance.

B. 

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