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Re: Republicans are touting Trump giving weapons to Ukraine while Obama gave them �blankets�. But there�s a spin there.....a lack of truth.

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But as part of the agreement of the sale, the Javelins are not deployed on the battlefield but stored hundreds of miles away in western Ukraine—far from the front lines of the Donbass, which could radically diminish their deterrent effect, said Mike Carpenter, who served as the deputy assistant secretary of defense for Russia and Eurasia under Obama.

“If the Russians know that the Javelins are not there, the deterrent effect is negated,” said Carpenter, though he noted that the missiles could be transferred to the battlefield in the event of an attack. Michael Kofman, a weapons expert with CNA, described the Javelins as an “insurance policy”—but one with little impact in the balance of power on the conflict.

The decision in 2017 to go ahead with the sale under Trump is often held up as evidence that, despite the president’s puzzling affinity for Russia, his administration has pursued a hawkish Russia policy.

Shortly after the first batch of Javelins arrived in Ukraine in 2018, they were tested by the Ukrainian military in what then-President Petro Poroshenko described as a “dream come true.” The Ukrainian military has been trained on how to use the Javelins, but with no tank battles in eastern Ukraine since 2015, they haven’t yet had the chance to use them for real.

“It became this sort of embodiment of U.S. support for Ukraine,” said Charap, who previously served as a senior advisor to the State Department’s undersecretary for arms control. “It’s much more headline-grabbing than helping them with their logistics, which by the way is a real problem.”

“While generals and politicians in Kyiv played up the Javelins, in my own experience, soldiers in the field talked more about getting insufficient quantities of the nonlethal aid that they really needed—secure communications, armored vehicles, counterbattery radars,” said Olga Oliker, the director for Europe and Central Asia at the International Crisis Group.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/far-from-the-front-lines-javelin-missiles-go-unused-in-ukraine/




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Republicans are touting Trump giving weapons to Ukraine while Obama gave them “blankets”. But there’s a spin there.....a lack of truth.
By: zzstar
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Fri, 15 Nov 19 4:47 PM
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I learned yesterday that the Javelins are stored in a warehouse because the deal is they CANNOT BE USED AGAINST RUSSIAN FORCES”!

What’s wrong with that picture?

In fact, Ukrainians created fake stuff visible from the russian side, with logs and other crap, that looked like javelins from a distance. Why? Because they could not brung the real stuff to the front.

Someone should expose this BS during the hearings. What kind of policy is this? Like the wall, where not a new mile has been built, while Trump makes false claims about the fact that he is actually refurbishing parts of OBAMA’S WALL! Obama who had managed the lowest numbers of crossings of the birder in 50 years.


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