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Re: What would Pat Robertson have said if it rained on the Obama parade

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"We will always be the people who defeated a tyrant, crossed a continent, harnessed science, took to the skies, and soared into the heavens because we will never forget that we are Americans and the future belongs to us.”

I should also mention my concern at the increasingly exclusive nature of American mythology about World War II, which Trump exemplified.

The war was won by the Allies, of which the US was an important one. But so was the British coalition, including the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, India and so on. And so was the Soviet Union once it found it needed to defend itself.

In the telling of the build-up, for instance, you wouldn't know that US not-my-problem isolationism was a factor: it's always the story of non-American appeasement, which is to say folks hoping to avoid the tragedy of a war until they cannot. A bit more American engagement and a bit less sympathy for Germany would have gone a long way towards avoiding the war in the first place.

And in the telling of the war's early stages, you wouldn't know that the US wasn't a participant for a couple of years; or that others voluntarily confronted the Nazi and Japanese monsters in the cause of freedom in several theatres; or that they held the line in a way that was at least sufficient to make recovery later a possibility, even if we admit that the armies fighting for freedom weren't as ready for war as the dictators, at least to begin with.

And in the telling of US engagement, you might not remember that the US was forced into war - it didn't make its own decision to fight for freedom; it fought because the Japanese and Germans declared war on it.

And in the American telling of D-Day, you wouldn't know that the US, although an important participant, did not provide a majority of the troops battling it out on the first day.

Of course, once it joined, the US made a mighty contribution. It is appreciated by everyone.

But a tale that excludes others is what makes providing a more complete picture necessary. Compare the US role in World War II with that of Canada, say. I'd rather tell their tale. But you never hear them telling it. Their heroic actions make words otiose and claims unnecessary.

It's kinda grotesque for modern Americans to assume the mantle of exclusive heroism in a way that its 'greatest generation' never did. They knew they made a contribution and that others did also. They didn't pretend to act alone. World War II wasn't a movie in which all the lead roles were played by American actors.

If only being part of victory was enough.

Only in the absence of understanding this slice of history and the value of cooperation and mutual respect is Trump possible.


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Re: What would Pat Robertson have said if it rained on the Obama parade
By: Cactus Flower
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Sat, 06 Jul 19 8:07 AM
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After Trump's tragic speech about pride in power, David Frum points to a very well-known English poem about the desperate need for humility in the rulers of great democratic powers.

It isn't a perfectly humble poem, and it employs God where one would hope conscience might operate, but it's an awful lot more aware than Trump of the risks of being mighty. And it has a mantra-like repeat line in it that, for me, comes to mind frequently when folks magnify the benefits of wars and the tools they use to wage them: "lest we forget - lest we forget."

The lives we shall lose. The tragedies we shall write. The hurt we shall bring. Lest we forget. Lest we forget.

In the end, the use of military power doesn't make a country great. Instead, depending upon the purpose of the use, it is what risks a country's greatness.

The poem's called Recessional and it was written by Rudyard Kipling. It's also a hymn.

God of our fathers, known of old,
Lord of our far-flung battle-line,
Beneath whose awful Hand we hold
Dominion over palm and pine—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!

The tumult and the shouting dies;
The Captains and the Kings depart:
Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
An humble and a contrite heart.
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!

Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!

If, drunk with sight of power, we loose
Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe,
Such boastings as the Gentiles use,
Or lesser breeds without the Law—
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget—lest we forget!

For heathen heart that puts her trust
In reeking tube and iron shard,
All valiant dust that builds on dust,
And guarding, calls not Thee to guard,
For frantic boast and foolish word—
Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord!


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