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Re: FBI raided office of Trump's personal lawyer: report

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It is, of course, concerning for folks who have somehow imagined that the Trump U conman is a genius with a public-spirited plan. But we are on the downslope now and the system of corruption is under attack by the machinery of the law.

It's actually heartening to see the rule of law re-emerging in the US. Tyrants still need to take care. Some American lawyers, particularly those in public service, have ethics which rise above the partisan divide. And they don't plan to break in the way the politicians have.

Even presidents are not immune to investigation. Hopefully, if a crime was committed, they will also apply the punishment this time so folks know not to do it again.

If Trump proves guilty, then the GoP will have a 40% hit rate of corrupt elected presidents amongst their last five. That's a bit embarrassing.

[I excluded Ford from the denominator because he wasn't elected president]




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Re: FBI raided office of Trump's personal lawyer: report
By: Cactus Flower
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Tue, 10 Apr 18 7:20 AM
Msg. 24422 of 54959

The fourth requires probable cause. The law enforcement people must believe Cohen's actions meet the standard.

There are provisions in statute involving the suspicion of criminal actions by which the AG can set aside the privilege between an attorney and their client.

Rosenstein must have signed off on the raid.

csl, you continue to see absolutes in the bill of rights. But rights conflict. The fourth amendment was mostly designed in the English common law (check Edward Coke) and was created specifically in the way the common law treats problems: there are principles and there are exceptions to principles.

Probable cause, the American slice of the fourth amendment, means that a judgement is made between the rights of the suspect and the interests of the law.

So basically, you may reasonably conclude that they (including Rosenstein) have strong presumptive evidence that Cohen is a crook. And the raid was undertaken because the law required it.

On the fifth - well, I am shocked to hear that you think the president has engaged in the sort of criminal behaviour to which the fifth amendment applies. But if you think he requires the protections of the fifth amendment, I assume you also believe he ought not to be president as a criminal is not presidential material and a criminal's secret actions leave them vulnerable to extortion by a foreign power.


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