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In my view, America's original sin was the European settlement, which was a crime against the native peoples. They treated them wrongly again and again, although some tried to find a way to get along at the beginning.

Slavery was the second sin, but didn't really appear in the English colonies until around 1640 or so. Oddly enough, it was a free black man who owned the first black slave.

Kelly was right that the war wasn't just about slavery. Both Lee and Lincoln prioritised the union over slavery.

Kelly didn't say anything in favour of slavery. Folks are putting those words in his mouth. He was talking about a process to avoid the civil war, which killed a load of Americans. Parliamentary compromise worked elsewhere. It was a failure of American law and government that it didn't occur in the US. Look at your constitution to see the villain. It empowers intransigence.

And look at your Supreme Court: it could have referenced Lord Mansfield and demanded positive law to justify slavery, and without it said it must not be.

He was right that Lee chose his state because his country was at war with itself.

He was right that decent people owned slaves. Washington and Jefferson owned slaves and were aware of the issue. And yet they kept them all the same. I can't see any reason to suppose confederate folks in the 1860s were worse than the Founding Fathers for doing the same thing.

He was right that applying today's morality to the past is the artifice of shallow people. No genuine historian does that.

It's only single issue fanatics that think judgements are made about single things. But sometimes there are several issues involved in a decision.

The folks jumping down Kelly's throat are the knee-jerks in my view.




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Re: John Kelly
By: clo
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Wed, 01 Nov 17 6:20 PM
Msg. 23134 of 54959

Slavery is America's original sin.

I'm disappointed in John Kelly.
He's showing himself to be much more like Trump, with polish.
After the tragedy in Charlottesville, why would he swim in the cesspool of slavery?
He never owned his mistaken memory with regard to the congresswoman.

Secy Tillerson, an eagle scout, wouldn't lie about calling Trump a moron, to cover his butt. Yet a four star general doesn't show the spine of an eagle scout! sad...

a snippet:
Kelly’s remarks, then, are part of an American tradition of historical denial, and he is hardly its only adherent. It is fair to ask, however, why Kelly believes that there could have been compromise over the issue of slavery, that a war over human bondage could have contained “men and women of good faith on both sides,” and that a man could have killed thousands of his countrymen and still be honorable, but that a Gold Star widow who feels disrespected by the president’s words, that a congresswoman who defended her and was slandered by Kelly himself, and that the athletes who refuse to compromise on the question of black personhood should be given no quarter.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/dont-know-much-about-history/544553/


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