« ALEA Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next

Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says 

By: clo in ALEA | Recommend this post (1)
Wed, 16 Aug 17 4:06 PM | 24 view(s)
Boardmark this board | The Trust Matrix
Msg. 22761 of 54959
(This msg. is a reply to 22758 by Cactus Flower)

Jump:
Jump to board:
Jump to msg. #

Until yesterday I didn't label Trump a racist.

I wondered if the fact he can't ever admit to being wrong was the reason for his behavior.

Yesterday put that benefit of the doubt to bed!

He said a line that was a tell, "You are changing history and culture”.
We can't change the past, but we sure as hell won't go back to the past & act as if its okay!!!

That he claimed the Nazis & white supremacists protested 'peacefully' & had a permit, that they had the moral right to do so is OUTRAGEOUS!
I don't know where we go as a country, but until Trump leaves, we are in a living hell.....




Avatar

DO SOMETHING!


- - - - -
View Replies (1) »



» You can also:
- - - - -
The above is a reply to the following message:
Re: Alleged driver of car that plowed into Charlottesville crowd was a Nazi sympathizer, former teacher says
By: Cactus Flower
in ALEA
Wed, 16 Aug 17 12:16 PM
Msg. 22758 of 54959

Well, csl, I can't easily distinguish your position from Duke's and Trump's with respect to the violence at the demonstration.

Moral equivalence between Nazis and Democrats? You demonstrated it here: "Yep, let us make every effort to morph Trump into David Duke. Gets really old. Seems to me the biggest ally of racists is Planned Parenthood but what do I know?" That's what Trump and Duke did. Moral equivalence rather than condemnation.

Given the opportunity to condemn a person who drove a car into a group of protesters, you went for the gaslight (compare, contrast and distract), when the obvious moral response was to condemn a heinous act: "To me it appears the problem is orders of magnitude larger on the left." That's Duke's position.

Duke takes courage from Trump's equivocation. Duke knows his movement and he indicates his movement supports Trump. Not all Republicans are racists. But it does appear that the vast majority of white supremacists support Trump. It seems clear to me that he courts that voting bloc. Enough instances to see a pattern. Tar is sticky. Same brush. Avoid proximity.

Sometimes, the mirror is the best tool. In this case, although I understand your wider frustration, I think it would have been nice to see you look into it with respect to this terrorist incident and this President's failure to focus on it: even to share blame. Nothing justifies it.

Did clo accuse you of being a racist? I didn't see it. But you've expressed your increasing support of a President who sails very close to the wind. And that is why it might have been helpful if you kept your condemnation free of comparisons and rebuttals.

One thing I have learned along the way is that it is generally a weak foundation for an argument to justify or seek to diminish the importance of a bad act by comparing it with another one.

Charles Krauthammer: "What Trump did today was a moral disgrace."

Paul Ryan: "White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity."

Isn't that the right position for a concerned, non-racist Republican to take?


« ALEA Home | Email msg. | Reply to msg. | Post new | Board info. Previous | Home | Next